Bears @ Packers, 1-2-11

Lets begin with an injury report recap. The Bears all hand on deck at Friday’s practice, with only WR Earl Bennett (ankle) being limited. Bennett is listed as questionable for Sunday’s game. For the Packers, S Atari Bigby (groin), FB Korey Hall (knee), DE Cullen Jenkins (calf), and LB Frank Zombo (knee) are all out for Sunday’s game; while OT Chad Clifton (knees), S Nick Collins (ribs), LB Clay Mathews (shin), and DL Ryan Pickett (ankle) were limited in practice on Friday and are listed as probable for Sunday. With the Packers needing a win to make the playoffs, I expected everyone on the roster to make a go of it—so I am a little surprised that Cullen Jenkins was already ruled out for Sunday—but otherwise, it looks like the Packers will pretty much be a full go.  Now on to some observations for this game:

1) Who will play for the Bears? We have somewhat of a slight advantage by playing at 3:15 on Sunday. Atlanta (vs. Carolina) and New Orleans (vs. Tampa Bay) both host winnable games at 12:00; but should both of those teams lose, the Bears with a win over the Packers would clinch home-field throughout the playoffs. If one or both of those teams win, and lock the Bears into the #2 seed, then the Bears have an interesting dilemma: how long do you play your starters, if at all?  On one hand, you can rest all your best players and go into the playoffs as probably the healthiest team in the NFL. But do you want to give the Packers an easier game to clinch a playoff spot, and risk having to play them THREE times in the same season?  One of the interesting subplots to the Bears’ postseason is that we will host either the Eagles or Giants (who we have already played this year), or the Packers (who we will have already played twice).

2. If the starters do play, how will our secondary hold up versus the Packers’ passing attack? Our pass defense has looked shaky (to put it mildly) against the Patriots and Jets. Can we put pressure on Aaron Rodgers? Can we cover the Packers’ WR corps?  With prospective games in the playoffs against the Eagles, Packers, Saints, or Falcons—we must get this in order.

3. If the core starters are rested, what young players will step up?  If the starters are rested for the playoffs (which I expect if the Falcons and/Saints win), look for these guys to get alot of reps: RB Kahlil Bell, WR Devin Aromashodu, WR Juaquin Iglesias, OG Lance Louis, OL Herman Johnson, DE Corey Wootton, CB Joshua Moore, S Major Wright, and S Craig Steltz. The play of these younger players will offer a glimpse of what areas the Bears need to prepare to draft in 2011.

83 responses

  1. johnnyharvard

    Well they’re all relatively cheap. So its a great value. So I’m not surprised. Actually I wanted Cubs to get Uggla. he’d have looked good in Wrigley in the middle of the order blasting long flys over the Ivy.

    January 5, 2011 at 11:30 pm

  2. johnnyharvard

    Nalasco an ex Cub. But I’ll take Johnson thank you very much.

    January 5, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    • i think so would every other team in the league, right? the only encouraging thing is that the marlins seem to be FINALLY making an effort to lock up some of these guys. HanRam, then JJ, now Nolasco—they offered Uggla far more than I would have for a career .260 hitter with 150+ Ks and poor defense….You plug Stanton into that #4 hole and dont miss a beat. Infante balances out our lineup much better. And I cant believe we got San Diego to give us 2 good relievers for Cameron Maybin. He hit curveballs worse than that guy in the Major League movies. He was our Corey Patterson—or Felix Pie.

      January 5, 2011 at 10:07 pm

  3. johnnyharvard

    I’ll take Josh Johnson please.

    January 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    • Yeah LOL. Although I will tell you Anibal Sanchez and Ricky Nolasco arent that bad either. The Marlins picked up John Buck to catch, and Omar Infante to be a super-sub—if we get any type of relief pitching, i think we will be strong for a wildcard.

      January 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm

  4. johnnyharvard

    I think Wooten may make some noise too. Melton looks like a nice rotational DT too. Its not all that bare on defense in the front end. A monster DT who disrupts things by penetrating the backfield on the run and collapsing the pocket on the pass on a consistent basis. Peppers may get 20 sacks next year! I like that plan. Theres no wrong way to go. I would take the best available WR, DT/DE,(because I would move Izzy to 3 technique if the right DE was there), or CB is there. O-line I would get Mankins to replace Garza inside. OT is poor this year. The talent differential from 1st to 5th round isn’t all that vast. Omiyale a guy I’ve defended just sucked the last 7 games or so. very disappointed in him. He has all the tools to be not only serviceable but all pro if he had the nuts for it. He’s way too passive for a guy on my line. LT needs to get upgraded. I would draft one later but Webb may be your answer there ultimately and than you move the pick to RT. I think they can go one more year with Olin, but his replacement needs to be on this roster soon if he isn’t already. I’m thinking Edwin Williams as a possibility.

    January 5, 2011 at 5:14 pm

  5. johnnyharvard

    Yeah theres another report conflicting with the Sun Times scoop of the Cubs nearing a deal for Garza. Not sure I trade for Garza though. Depends how much they give up. Does Garza put the Cubs as world series winning contenders? Not too sure. they will compete for the NL Central though, but how impressive is that? Thats like the tallest midget thing. Cubs have a nice crop of pitchers in the system that may be even better than Garza when all is said and done. Lots of power arms in the pen too. 4 pitchers in the system I love in Chris Carpenter, Trey McNutt, Jay Jackson, and Chris archer may be worth keeping because they’ll be cheap and under control for some time. Cashner is another one that adds to that depth so they may be in position top give one of those guys up maybe 2. Garza is awfully good and may win a Cy Young pitching in the Cubs division. its a tough call. I say that because next year the Cyubs will have about 50 mil. off the books they can spend on free agents and guys they trade for. Soriano’s contract makes my head hurt thinking about it.

    January 5, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    • well if you want to make any noise in the playoffs these days, you need pitchers with overpowering, dominating stuff. I think you take Garza, because he does have that occasional UNHITTABLE stuff. You can find a million inning eaters for the regular season.

      January 5, 2011 at 4:42 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        I like Garza, but is he a guy that can outduel Haren, Lincecum, Lee, Halladay, or any of the other true Aces in the NL post season not to mention the top AL guys should they be lucky enough to make it that far? IDK. To give up the package they were supposedly looking for it has to be a definite YES! If they came down on their asking price sure. Take the chance.

        January 5, 2011 at 5:23 pm

      • or, since you are playing for 2012 when you have more spending money, you wait until midseason and see who teams are throwing out there for less than what they would ask at this point. You know teams like the Marlins, Rays, etc if they are not in the hunt wll ALWAYS be sellers.

        January 5, 2011 at 5:26 pm

  6. johnnyharvard

    As for the Panthers I agree IF Clausen isn’t a I don’t give a damn about anything but myself kinda guy. If he is and Luck is clearly the best guy you take him other factors be damned. You trade vets for picks and trade down with your other picks to get guys to fill spots. You do whatever you can to get your guy at then QB spot for the future. If you can’t get him enough to have some success (especially O-line) to keep him healthy mentally and physically you sit him and he holds a clip board. You than get him the most savvy vet available to show him what being a pro QB is all about till he’s ready and has the proper pieces around him to compete. But you take care of QB if that option is there over all else. Its the way I feel about it.

    January 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    • the other thing i would consider is that drafting a QB at that #1 spot is awfully expensive, unless the labor deal includes a rookie salary scale. For every Sam Bradford that works out, there are a lot more Tim Couches, Akili Smith, and Ryan Leafs. And enough about Sam Bradford. he had one pretty good year. Rick Mirer had a pretty good rookie year too. Or what if you draft a guy like Matt Stafford? he is good, but if cant stay on he field, he is going to set that franchise back 10 more years.

      January 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Its risky, but a risk that has to be taken if you identify a guy as a bon-a-fide stud franchise QB and you think you need it. QB is THE most important position in the game. maybe in all the games. Its close to Goalie in hockey and I think above PG, and catcher in baseball IMO.

        January 5, 2011 at 5:18 pm

  7. johnnyharvard

    Notre Dame has a huge fan base. basically anyone Irish &/or catholic is probably going to root for them in some manner. As we know both sections are well represented in this country. But its still a road game. that mean travel, hotels, distractions, and all the rest forget about the % of the fan base in the crowd.

    But I judge a program by NFL prospects not college victories which mean little to me as there are a lot of gimmick systems and other factors. I have no dog in the college game. I’m all pro. college bores me for the most part. Every now and again one captures my attention like last nights because theres going to be a few players make the pro’s. I love D.J. Williams and Posey. I think Posey is exactly the type of receiver we’re looking for and may be a bargain pick. The only board thats giving him any love that I seen is walter. He’s ranked 6th ad rated a 2-3 round talent. Everywhere else he’s not listed or very low in the 20’s. This is a very good draft for those positions you mentioned.

    Yeah Floyds a monster. Theres also a concern with injury for him as he’s missed a few games in all three seasons at ND, but theres no question he’s a pro number one talent and attitude wise. If Bears got hi I would be very very excited about that pick.

    January 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      Oh and that whole front seven for Ohio st. was impressive. Heyward would make me happy as well. Unless the Bears screw it up there will be an impact guy on either side of the ball at the 29th pick.

      January 5, 2011 at 12:16 pm

      • stanford’s defense really impressed me as well. im not sure they missed one tackle that entire game against virginia tech. as for cameron heyward, he is 6-5 288—if i were the bears, i would have designs on actually moving him inside to that 3-technique tackle–he played inside on passing downs last night and was throwing around Arkansas’ interior linemen like rag dolls. I tell you what—you put him, peppers, and izzy on the same line—thats 3 scary looking specimens right there.

        January 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm

  8. johnnyharvard

    Don’t sleep on Floyd either. he has all the tools to be a stud at the next level. He was very productive at ND too. This despite having a carousel of QB’s all season long.

    Like I said before this is an underrated WR draft I think. Lots of big fats receivers in this one. Not familiar with Jeffery, but a couple of possible sleepers I see on the board based on measurable’s and production are a couple of guys named Terrance Toliver, WR, LSU, and DeAndre Brown*, WR, Southern Miss. Toliver is big 6’5″ 206 and fast 4.50 40. He had a great year too. Brown from what I read came off a broken leg and kicked ass tis year. He’s even bigger at 6’6″ 228! Thats TE size with receiver speed. Both are projected to go between 4th and 6th rounds on most boards. I also like the two kids from Stanford who are both around Aromashodu’s size and they run a good time in the 4 at around 4.5. Whalen and Owusu both were productive and played in a pro style offense. i think they can be late round steals! The late rounds should be fruitful for receivers. A lot of late value. If Bears don’t have Jones or Blackmon fall to them I’d go late with receivers. I like Floyd too if he’s there. Green will be gone by than I think. Its a deep receiver draft it looks like. There could be as many as 5 go in the first round from what I’m reading.

    January 4, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    • Floyd definitely is in need of some good coaching. I dont see too much of him down here in SEC country; but I did watch the Sun Bowl versus Miami. He played a really nice game; looks the part for sure. But he had a wide open touchdown, and for some inexplicable reason tried to one-hand catch it, dropped, and cost him a team a TD. That guy would have been out for the rest of the game if I were the coach.
      Yeah, the guys from Stanford, especially Whalen, could be great. like another Ricky Proehl. Toliver disappeared way too much for a guy that should have dominated the college game. Alshon Jeffrey is a true sophomore, so we will have to wait unitl 2012.

      While I am on this Notre Dame kick, am I crazy for thinking it shouldnt be a slam dunk that Carolina draft Andrew Luck? I saw Clausen play against us, and he looked shellshocked. But I watched the Falcons game on Sunday, and he didnt play all that bad. Keep in mind, he has two rookie, mid to late-round WRs starting, with Steve Smith hurt; no TE, and no offensive line. And he made some good plays moving around in the pocket, and had a couple long passes dropped on him. I really disliked his game at Notre Dame; but i think if they traded down and picked up another 2nd rounder or 3rd & 4th; they could get him a couple good lineman and WR weapons. If they draft Luck, they are def more than a franchise QB away at this point. Luck is going to get destroyed.

      January 5, 2011 at 8:00 am

      • johnnyharvard

        Well I didn’t see that play, but I’ll tell you what Floyd is pretty polished. The only question is does he have top end speed. If he runs in the low 4.4’s he may be the top guy taken at that position. He’s a monster at 6’3″ 220 and strong as a bull! he also has vise grip hands. He has the hands of a possession receiver, but he’s all athlete! The dude can go up and get em better than any in this class of WR’s. If he should fall to the 28th spot the Bears would be idiotic to pass on him. I’m super high on Floyd. The SEC gets all the love (with good reason, its a good conference), but the Midwest puts out just as much if not more NFL talent than anything the Southern conferences does. They win a lot of the Bowl games against the Big Ten teams because of a few reasons. One of them being that they pretty much all get home field advantage. Than the Pac 10 and all the western Conferences get the other home fields. I would LOVE to see those teams come this way in January, every year and see how that goes for them.

        January 5, 2011 at 9:18 am

      • thats tru about the home field; although I would bet Notre Dame has more fans at any game than just about any team they play. But Floyd is a beast. And thats what Jay really needs, is that guy that he can throw it up to and will fight to bring it back down.

        January 5, 2011 at 10:30 am

      • johnnyharvard

        As far as Carolina is concerned I think it all depends on how they go with the rebuild. They are clearly going cheap. So they would do well to collect a bunch of picks. My guess is all expensive or soon to be expensive picks will get dealt for picks. If they stack a lot of picks they may just use that Number one on Luck. Is Luck a number one overall pick? I don’t know. I haven’t seen enough of him. What I do like is he runs a pro style offense and was coached by one of the best QB coaches in the college game in Harbaugh. I saw him make throws and he throws a very nice touch pass, but I don’t see a real zip to it. I also don’t see a great athlete who can do things on the run. Correct me if I’m wrong there because when I see the highlights he operates from the pocket and hits a ton of check downs and drops a lot of touch passes over zones. he is very accurate with that. Clausen has all the skills and he doesn’t have a special arm like Jay or Vick or Freeman, or even another young QB I like in Skelton in ‘Zona, but he can make all the throws. His deal is more intangible. A lot of reports have come out that he has already alienated a lot of his current teammates. So they would know that better than I would. But if he has the proper intangibles I’d roll the dice with him, and add around him. What say you?

        also I’m hearing a lot of buzz about the Cubs and Garza again. I hear the Cubs have the preferred prospects over all the teams in the discussion. Its really up to the Cubs whether they want to deal them. I’m assuming they’ll eventually compromise and get a deal done. Since I haven’t found a Cub board yet, and I know you’re plugged into the Florida Sports scene I was wondering what you were hearing about that.

        January 5, 2011 at 9:32 am

      • not too much—honestly I think Tampa could give two craps about the Rays; just like South Florida and the Marlins. ITs a shame. Some teams would kill to be the Marlins, with 2 World Series in 15 years, or the Rays with all that young talent; Just look at the Carl Crawford thing. Is he worth what the Red Sox gave him? Maybe not. But would any team with half a fan base let him walk?

        January 5, 2011 at 10:33 am

      • As far as Carolina goes, you have alot of team that are at the bottom of the draft that feel like they are just a QB away–when you look at the top 12 picks, only Dallas seems pretty happy with their QB; andf maybe Denver—although who knows if the new coach they hire will like Tebow. And there seems to be a love affair with Luck, even when there are other intriguing prospects, Like Blaine Gabbart, Ryan Mallett, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, etc. Even if you wanted a QB, you could get one later in the first round if you traded down. But I think the defensive Line crop, WR Crop, and CB Crop is one of the best in years. I would keep Clausen, get a stud DE/CB/WR in the first round, and grab up offensive and defensive line help in the later rounds. Think about this- Carolina has some pretty good young defensive players, and a good young RB—if Clausen is pretty good, and you upgrade your lines and get a WR to team up with Steve Smith—you could challenge for playoffs pretty quickly.

        January 5, 2011 at 10:46 am

      • You know who stood out to me last night? Cameron Heyward, the DE from Ohio St. He loked like a little bit smaller version of Ndamukong Suh last night, the way he was pushing people around. And Arkansas doesnt have any small guys on that offensive line. I see him in most mocks around where the Bears pick in the first round; but i think he might be one of those guys who rises from the bowl to the combine to the draft. I have a feeling he is going to blow peoples minds at Ohio State’s pro day.

        January 5, 2011 at 10:52 am

  9. Lincoln1

    You do realize too that when we played them last year the falcons were still a young and unknown team that people thought down there were going to be bad. Atlanta fans never give their teams full support unless they expect them to win. They expect them to win, and if that game last Monday night showed they have full support right now

    January 4, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    • Maybe they will end up proving me wrong, but I am not sold AT ALL on the Falcons. They had a couple big wins, their first win against the Saints, and the one against the Ravens (who I also think might be slightly overrated); but they mostly got fat on an easy schedule. 8-0 versus teams with losing records. 5-3 versus winning teams. 9-0 versus non-playoff teams. 4-3 versus playoff teams. They played Cleveland; Cincy, the NFC West, and the Panthers TWICE. “What if” only gets you so far, but if the Bears had not imploded versus Seattle and Washington at home, we would have been the #1 seed.

      January 4, 2011 at 4:31 pm

      • Lincoln1

        I agree with U on ATL. But the bears got fat by playing a really week schedule as well. Both of these are very similar in that regard

        January 4, 2011 at 5:25 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        I think the Bears can beat them in the Georgia dome. I think the Falcons have a good team, but again they’re not decidedly better than any other team (Seattle aside) in this post season. Any one of these teams can beat the other any day at any venue.

        On a side note this Ohio state ass whooping is pretty impressive. Terrel Pryor is a big game QB. He had a great Rose bowl last season. Another guy to keep an eye on in the draft is this Posey kid from Ohio st. I think he could be there for the Bears in the second and maybe even 3rd rd. at WR if he’s eligible and declares. Another sleeper receiver I like is this Toon kid from

        January 4, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      • Toon is good—he certainly has the bloodlines. i see jerrell jernigan keep popping up from troy in alot of mock drafts for the bears. i think he is pretty good; but he is basically a clone of what we already have. Posey is good too. If we cant get Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, or AJ Green, the guy I would really want is Alshon Jeffrey from South Carolina. He looks like a TO Clone in his prime. Big, Fast, Nasty—fights for the ball; runs after the catch like Anquan Boldin. But im not sure he is even draft eligible.

        January 4, 2011 at 9:16 pm

  10. Lincoln1

    and playing in a hostile environment I would understand. However playing outside and having to go to the Georgia Dome to play are very different. There is nothing you can do to prepare to play in a dome like that. you just have to deal with it

    January 4, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    • Maybe it will be different in the playoffs, but I actually went to the Bears/ Falcons game last year at the Georgia Dome and it was about 40% Bears fans. No noise at all. The Falcons’ success comes more from taking care of the ball than anything their crowd does.

      January 4, 2011 at 3:39 pm

  11. Lincoln1

    I agree that the packers offense was not very good. The first possession on the deep pass where the bears were off sides the ball was dropped. Driver then later on fumbled where he he just dropped the ball, it was not stripped out. The packers really if not for some dumb things would have had a huge lead

    I disagree however that the bears just assumed the pack would beat their ass. That makes no sense. if that were the case there would have been no reason then to play Cutler or any of the important people. The only reason they played was because Lovie said that from day 1 beating the pack was important. If this game would have been against anyone else they would not have played

    January 4, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    • so, do you think if the Packers were winning 21-0 at the half, Lovie would have kept the starters in?

      January 4, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      • Lincoln1

        Of course not. They would have been pulled very early. But everyone knows that the starters would not have played in that meaningless game against anyone else but the pack.

        January 4, 2011 at 3:51 pm

  12. Lincoln1

    Urlacher even said after the game that it was not a playoff atmosphere for them. They put together a game plan where they thought they could win and they didn’t. Lets not make excuses for them. They lost and I would love to play them again and see who the better team is. I got a feeling however I will not like the results

    January 4, 2011 at 10:34 am

    • I think the whole idea was partly not to give our offense 3 weeks off between games; and partly get them used to playing in a hostile environment. It was clear our offense was not operating with the full playbook. I think the coaching staff honestly thought the Packers, needing a win to get in, would come out and get a big lead, and we could sit our starters in the second half. But, all of a sudden you are winning at the half, and having a chance to win at the end. I actually think this says more about the ineptitude of the Packers offense than anything about our team.

      January 4, 2011 at 3:05 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Yeah the receivers should be a little concern. I do think they’ll pick it up and Martz will create schemes to offset their disadvantages. For example they’d have kept running it down the Packers throat. It seems like our O-line is very run oriented right now. The Linemen we have are big and athletic so they do a great job pulling and getting into the second level flattening the DB’s and LB’s along the way. If Bears wanted to really win this game they’d have continued to run the ball down their throats and ran more 9,8, & 7 routes down field. I think thats some of what you’ll see more of. I also didn’t see any combo routes where the receivers work in tandem to draw the coverage a specific way to free up a particular area of the field. Also no Crossers or pick routes, no wheel or rail routes, no counter treys or draws, no straight screens or even bubble screens for that matter. Also I didn’t see one overloaded O-line set the Bears like to use to either power a run to that side or as a play action decoy for a big hitter outside. I could go on and on about what I didn’t see. It was a basic pro set for most of the game with a few jumbo’s or heavies and there wasn’t one roll out that I noticed. These are things we will see in te post season. specially with two weeks to draw somethings up. The Bears will self scout again so things should change as it did at the bye based on how the Bears progressed from that point to now.

        January 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      Well they said they used the old gameplan and didn’t show them anything. Hester even said that exact thing. He said if teams think thats what they’ll see he hopes they do the exact same things because they will see something else and the Bears will burn them and make them pay for it. I mean this isn’t excuses its fact! Bears played it close to the vest and the Pack still had a hard time at home. This shouldn’t be a surprise to you or anyone though as the Bears have 11 wins and won the north. They also have beaten the Packers and have the decided advantage record wise under Lovie Smith. This is one of the biggest rivalries in all of sports. The Bears playing the Packers blow for blow shouldn’t shock anyone least of all a Bears fan. Bears are flawed like all teams are. Packers included.

      January 4, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      Urlacher saying it wasn’t like the playoffs to him is a perfect example of the Bears not giving that game its all. It was a tune up. Basically they used the Packers as a tune up much like a Boxer uses a sparrer to prepares for a fight with a legitimate opponent. If the Bears wanted to win this that badly they’d have suited up Bennett, and played Tinoisamoa. Packers still barely squeaked it out. They were clearly nervous. Thats the thing that Rogers has to overcome. He kind of has a rep for choking to true pressure. If he fails in this post season expect that rep to get a lot more play.

      January 4, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      • Lincoln1

        Rodgers actually had a solid game for them. he outplayed Cutler on every level. His receivers dropped passes all day long. Cutler is the guy who has to prove all the critics wrong. and i would not listen what what Hester has to say about offense. Unless he is running kicks back, he is just about useless for us. Not one d coordinator is up at nights worrying about what Hester will do as a WR. We all know he can not play that position

        January 4, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Rogers did not have a solid game. That one TD drive bailed him out, and made his stats look better. He had his two biggest passes in that drive of 21 and 46 yards. And that after that stupid Time out call by Lovie. If not for that we might be talking about a Bear win and the Pack out of the post season. I thought he kinda sucked till then. And as I mentioned jay didn’t have the full arsenal of the offense. rarely going down field which is his game. Rogers is more the check down guy who can go down field. Cutler is a down field guy who can check down. Cutler could win the super bowl and people still won’t be happy so he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone because its an action in futility. Most people can’t kiss enough Rogers ass so he’s got to prove it or his ass will be getting a lot less lip action. Speaking of which you forgot to mention all the drops Jay had. Not to mention his receivers didn’t give him much help fighting for the ball and getting separation off the jam. Not sure where you saw all these big game changing drops by the Pack and not by the Bears. I think Driver dropped one and than Jennings had that one that was actually a tough catch as he had to turn completely around because the ball was like at his helmet. Still should’ve caught it though. So both QB’s had drops. The difference in this one was that Rogers was using the whole playbook and has a receiving core that could be the best in all of football. 2 things any knowledgeable football fan wouldn’t say for Jay.

        January 4, 2011 at 9:56 pm

  13. Lincoln1

    Have you really ever seen davis and bennett out on the field at the same time??? The answer is not really. Davis is best at special teams. and why is everyone making excuses now as to why they lost. The offense was not watered down by any stretch. again if that were the case then Lovie really is dumb to put his troops in harms way by not trying to win the game. you are not going to beat the packers by running a watered down offense. people just seem to want to make excuses

    January 4, 2011 at 10:31 am

  14. Lincoln1

    The offense was far from Vanilla yesterday. If it were then it would have made no sense to play the starters. The packers D was just incredible yesterday, while the offense and Cutler were terrible.

    As for the packers again if not for dropping so many passes, they would have won the game by at least 2 TD’s.

    January 3, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    • the game plan was clearly lacking the usual adjustments, especially in the second half. we ran two different running plays and about 4 different passing sets. believe that if this were the playoffs, martz would have exploited woodson coming in off the edge with a quick pass to forte or olsen, like in the cowboys game.

      January 3, 2011 at 7:13 pm

      • Lincoln1

        you have to remember something as good as martz is as an o coordinator, Dom Capers is just as good as a D coordinator. He knows what he is doing. Our WR will never exploit Woodson because they are not good enough to do so.

        Johnny U mentioned that Cutler missed bennett, but Davis picked up the slack for him by not being there. bennett would have done the exact same thing Davis did. So bennett not being their was not really an issue

        January 3, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      No they were Vanilla. They played them to get them the experience of a playoff atmosphere. I could tell by the formations they ran yesterday. very little overloads on both the D & o lines. Also I can’t remember one combo route or any of the screens they like to run not to mention those wheel & rail routes out of the backfield. I also can’t recall many of their staple counter treys that were run. That was the most vanilla I’ve seen them. And the Bears dropped their fair share of passes too. and had the Timeout error that changed the whole game. Green bay threw out everything but the kitchen sink because it was the playoffs for them. Lose and go home. Bears played it more closely to the vest. Even Forte admitted as much in the post game.

      January 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Sure Capers is good and the Packers are talented on that side. The receivers aren’t physical enough to beat the jam thats for sure. As far as Davis and Bennett is concerned Bennett is a playmaker down the field too. He’s bigger too. And it would have been nice to maybe have both out on routes too. But the Bears clearly withheld a ton. They played their guys to get them a feel for post season. I think it was a good test for them. The way the Packers played was like the playoffs intensity wise. Especially on defense. Bears would’ve continued to run it too if they didn’t want to get their personnel ready for the blitz. I just think it was too risky to put Jay in that spot.

        January 4, 2011 at 8:55 am

      • yeah, the WR thing scares me a bit, because as we go through and play the saints, eagles, packers, or falcons, we are going to see alot of bump coverage and you know every CB we will face will see the tape of how our WRs cant fight a bump.

        January 4, 2011 at 10:18 am

  15. Thorsten

    What I also didn’t like and understand was as to why we didn’t get to see Aromashodu more but instead got all of Rasheed Davis. I mean he played pretty well for the most part, but why not give DA another opportunity, who arguably has more ability and talent.

    January 3, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    • DA is obviously on someone’s bad side, because Knox and Hester played like crap yesterday and were kept in there. those guys have to be moved around so they dont get jammed trying to get across the field or down the sideline. I think Cutler really missed Bennett yesterday.

      January 3, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      I saw a lot of DA actually. I just don’t think he was getting separation. He has immense talent but doesn’t have the rocks to take it to the next level. ears have a few guys like these. C. Williams comes to mind although he’s been playing well lately. Omiyale another. Going back to DA he has got to take charge of his career.

      January 3, 2011 at 8:46 pm

  16. Thorsten

    Well, Lovie went for it all and it didn’t pay ou like he hoped it would. There are some postives from this game: 1. We’re injury free despite some minor injuries of C. Harris and M. Wright. 2. The Defense redeemed itself after the Jets game.3. Forte had another great game.

    Negatives: The O couldn’t get anything going, and when they did Cutler threw a pick or Lovie called a silly time out….
    The receivers incl. Olson dropped balls beyond believe. Dunno what happened to Know, but he had his worst gamer yesterday.
    The Line couldn’t give Cutler any time and even worse got him sacked 6 times again, in a game which had no real meaning to us. Imagine Jay would’ve gotten knocked out….

    But with all that, I had the feeling that Martz didn’t want to show all on Offfense. Like the play calling didn’t look like he was doing much. Dunno why, but I just had the feeling. And I hope i am right with this one cause otherwise we should be concerned.

    As for playing the starters, I was hoping Lovie would sit Jay, after he took like the 3rd or 4th sack. And I still don’t understand how he could play Tinoisamoa after his knee surgery, not only throughout most of the game but also on special teams….

    January 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    • I agree about the play-calling. I think we kept it pretty close to the vest because we might potentially play this team again. It was obvious to me that nobody except maybe Woodson can cover Forte out of the backfield. We could have ran variations of that play all game long, if we wanted to. We also didnt see the Knox-HEster drag routes across the middle that teams have trouble with—especially team slike the Packers without any real burners in their secondary. Im not really worried about the pressure thing, you lso have to take into accoutn we dont want to show our blocking packages for their blitzes, if we have to play them again. This game offensively reminded me of the preseason game against the Chargers where they blitzed every play and we stayed vanilla. If there is one thing I think a Bears fan should NOT be worried about, its concerning Martz having his crap together for the playoffs.

      As far as Tinoisamoa, i think him playing all 4 phases had more to do with losing Roach, then also Wright for special teams.

      January 3, 2011 at 12:58 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        I agree the scheme will help us out nce we go all in, but its still disturing to see your football team get outphysicaled lie that when its just mano-a-mano. Take away all the fancy motions and sets and running rail routes with Forte to exploit the LB’s coverages on him, and the combo routes they like to run with overloads, and using our counters and pulls in the run game it still comes to hat on hat. Our receivers are soft. specially Knox and Olsen. very discouraging. Davis is a competitor though which is why he got the freaking ball! And I’m getting sick of our WR’s giving up on balls. Both INT’s could’ve had better effort. At least break it up, or God forbid actually go up and make a play. I was watching the Bucs, and Freeman threw a couple balls up that his receivers went up and got and everyones talking what a great play Freeman made. That happens all over the league. Bears better have receiver on the radar. maybe Vincent Jackson would be a nice target. I know he’s not a typical Martz receiver type, but he’s been flexible so why not continue the trend. Theres a lot of big physical receivers in the draft too. The Chargers have big guys, and they run the Coryell offense with great success.

        January 3, 2011 at 2:52 pm

      • it looked like everyone played hard, with the exception of our WR corps…they played like they were trying not to get hurt. But i still am not that worried—i think if we play again, we will (hopefully) run forte until they prove they can stop it. six yards per carry yesterday.

        January 3, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      Bears went vanilla which is fine, but than don’t have Jay in there taking all those shots while the Packers go all out blitz down after down. As I mentioned to Lincoln1 our receivers could’ve done a much better job helping out. And it would be nice if guys like Garza and Manumaleuna don’t whiff on blitz pick ups. Oh and Omiyale needs to set that edge better.

      January 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    • Lincoln1

      Lovie played the starters because he feels that beating Green Bay is important. It isn’t important at all, and I for one am just glad that no one important got hurt else Lovie really would be in trouble today. Going undefeated in the division or beating Green Bay is not whats important. Winning the super bowl is

      January 3, 2011 at 3:36 pm

  17. Lincoln1

    The pack are a very dangerous team now. Their defense is incredible and really if not for dropped passes by their WR’s this game may really have gotten ugly.

    Cutler was flat out horrible. I know he didn’t have the time, but when he does have time he needs to throw the ball away. Sometimes you throw the ball away instead of taking the sack.

    I’m stunned the starters played the whole game. The whole going undefeated in the NFC North thing was big for them for some reason. The raiders went undefeated and look where it got them

    January 2, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    • I disagree. if not for the two INTs by Cutler, one on a poor decision, one on a bad overthrow, we win that game. Remember that we were playing away with nothing really to play for, against a team that was playing desparate. They should have won by 3 TDs.

      January 3, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      The main issue in this game is the receivers were not getting off the jam. The receivers didn’t get separation. You could see Cutler waiting for these guys to shake their defenders but couldn’t. Knox is about as soft as it gets. Hester’s tough but not a great technician at the position. Olsen as we all know is a finesse player so body him and he’s done for. I think Bennett is the one guy that can play like that. I also think Iglesias would’ve filled that role but for some reasons the Bears took him for granted till they lost him to the Vikes this weekend. DA you would think could be tat guy too, but he doesn’t play with that kind of tenacity. As improved as the Bears receivers were this year they still need another guy or two who will fight for the ball when its up in the air and fight off jams. Cutler would probably have half his picks turned to completions if he just had that kind of receiving staff. And a lot of those sacks wouldn’t be sacks because these guys would be open on the hot routes during the blitz more often.

      January 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm

  18. johnnyharvard

    Cutler yelled at Taylor too. LOL!

    January 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    • Major Wright is hurt again.

      January 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Told ya we need a safety. I think Wrights going to be a bust.

        January 2, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    • and i really like what I see from Rasheid Davis.

      January 2, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      • …and does it seem like Buck and Aikman are 100% Pro-PAcker in this one?

        January 2, 2011 at 4:09 pm

  19. johnnyharvard

    One exhibition game coming up. Hanie was listed as the number 3 QB in this one. If Collins plays over him I’ll be pissed!

    January 2, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    • I actually think the opposite. I think our starters will play at least into the second quarter. Maybe if we didnt have a bye week coming, the staff would rest all of those guys. but I guess they figure they will start the regualrs, and maybe we can get a few breaks and steal an easy win. The fact that Clark and Bullocks are active over guys like Kahlil Bell, Steltz, Edwin Williams, Herman johnson, and Hanie let me know what this staff thinks of those guys. probably all gone this offseason.

      January 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        All except Williams. I think they may be grooming him for Kruetz’s job.But I also think Bullocks and Clark are gone too so who knows what thats all about.

        January 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm

      • unless Lovie is actually trying to win this game. Because its not like the Falcons game was in doubt by the time the Bears had to set their inactives.

        January 2, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      • …and the Taylor over Bell thing. That should be something that should have been considered just on the basis of Taylor’s play, if anything.

        January 2, 2011 at 3:47 pm

  20. lincoln1

    This is a must win for the falcons. They will be a focused bunch going into this game playing a team that is only looking forward to what they will do for the next 6 months. They will not lose to the panthers.

    January 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm

  21. johnnyharvard

    Taylor is done. I think Unga’s your number 2 back next year. I also think Martz will get him a Receiver this year. Most Mocks have the 3rd round pegged for WR. I hear names like Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy, DeVier Posey, WR, Ohio State, Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State. He’ll get another addition to his side of the ball too. I keep hearing the name of Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College on several Mocks, and Gabe Carimi, 6-8/320 OT Wisconsin on others. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go DT though. The defense shouldn’t be ignored. They are getting older. There are no mysteries with D.A. by now. I don’t think anything he does here in this game will impact anything they do with him. I think he can have 4 TD’s and over 200 yards and it won’t change their opinion of him. Not sure why they haven’t given Iglesias a shot at at least a minor role as a WR. They have had him active for special teams lately so maybe they’re training him to be R.Davis’ replacement.

    January 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm

  22. johnnyharvard

    Actually my dream scenario i the Bears rest the big 2 and still whoop on the Packers to eliminate them while Hanie throws for 5 TD’s! Than we play the Giants at home and give several of their players concussions including Manning and win the game 45-0! Than we play Atlanta kick them in the nuts at their so called unbeatable dome and shut them out! Than go to the show big time underdogs to the Pats and even that score for a Super bowl.

    January 1, 2011 at 3:19 pm

  23. Thorsten

    So, now that the facebook page is finally down, I’d like to add my two cents here.

    It’s a tricky game day for the Bears. You wanna beat Green Bay and so maybe knock em out of the PO’s, plus as Coach Smith said, it’s a rivalry and a a game to sweep the Division. I don’t really count the slim chance for a No.1 seed since i don’t believe the Falcons will lose to the Panthers.

    Now, obviously, on the other hand you wanna rest the starters to decrease the possibility of injuries. Now I know it’s kinda unfair to other teams, but well, you don’t wanna lose Cutler or Forte or Urlacher for the PO’s.

    So, I hope we won’t see most of the starters for more than a half.I also would like to see some of Iglesias and a tad more of Aromashodu again. Wright should see a bit more of playing time too.

    ANd I agree that when Cutler is out of the game they should give Hanie some reps. Collins wouldn’t make sense really.

    January 1, 2011 at 10:44 am

    • Well, you kind of hope that if the Saints beat the Bucs, locking the Bears into the #2 seed, then the Redskins beat he Giants, rendering this game irrelevant to the Packers, so we can all treat this like a preseason game and get into the playoffs healthy.

      January 1, 2011 at 11:56 am

    • It will definitely be good to get some of the younger guys some work, so we can see what we have going into next year. I think Bennett, Knox, and Hester have proven to be a pretty darn good WR corps—so you need to see if Iglesias and Aromashodu can be those #4 and #5 guys, or if you need to draft someone. Can Kahlil Bell be a #2 RB, or do you need to draft one—Personally, I think Taylor will be one and done for the Bears. Edwin Williams, Lance Louis, and Herman Johnson will have a chance to show if they can be the future on the interior of the line. Major Wright and Craig Steltz have to show they can cover the deep halves in the Cover 2 scheme. I think going into next year, we HAVE to get a couple interior O-Linemen, a stud DT, and a young LB, preferrably one that can take over for Urlacher in a couple years.

      January 1, 2011 at 3:08 pm

      • johnnyharvard

        Well we can for get about Juaquin Iglesias. The Vikings signed him today! Hope that doesn’t come back to haunt us. I really liked the kid.


        January 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    • johnnyharvard

      Thorsten good to see you over here man. Do you guys celebrate New Years this time of the year too. I know America totally stole Christmas from the Germans, so I guess they might have done the same with New Years.

      January 1, 2011 at 5:47 pm

  24. Lincoln1

    thats not true exactly. Philly would Play GB first round, so if GB wins they play ATL because they are the lowest seed still in the playoffs while the bears would get the saints here. As you can see I already am penciling in GB as a playoff team. They should win on sunday

    January 1, 2011 at 5:18 am

    • that assuming the saints will beat the rams or seahawks. 🙂 don’t underestimate the home-field advantage if they have to play seattle. they lost in arizona already this season; and they even lost to CLEVELAND at home.

      January 1, 2011 at 9:42 am

      • Lincoln1

        The saints will not lose to either of those teams. They are too well coached for that too happen. As for the packer game, you rest everyone you can and what ever happens happens. If we happen to lose in the playoffs, it won’t be because we rested people today.

        January 2, 2011 at 7:22 am

      • how did they saints lose to the browns and the cardinals? was their coach not there those weeks?

        January 2, 2011 at 9:39 am

  25. johnnyharvard

    Well if the playoffs ended today the Pack would be in there. So if the Giants lose the Pack won’t have to win which means they’d b resting their guys too. I don’t think that Redskins game is a gimmie either. Its very possible this Sundays game turns into an exhibition of sorts.

    The two young guys I’d like to see a lot of would be Iglesias and Joshua Moore. I also want to see Hanie NOT Collins.

    December 31, 2010 at 6:54 pm

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